TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 02:25

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:Also, I'm sorry to trouble you, but may I be so bold as to ask you to point out the rule that states that a clan must attack every rezzed clan at least once when it rezzes? I don't seem to be able to find it either :(
I'm sorry to trouble you, can you explain how it is possible to win without attacking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attrition_warfare

I'm surprised that a "Master" of Clan X is unfamiliar with common warfare techniques.
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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Adryan Poh » 15 Jun 2013, 02:25

Kirisame Marisa wrote:Also, I'm sorry to trouble you, but may I be so bold as to ask you to point out the rule that states that a clan must attack every rezzed clan at least once when it rezzes? I don't seem to be able to find it either :(
I don't think it exists as well. Hmmmm...

You might want to add them up under Game Rules. Or else more clans will be disbanded. We do not want that, don't we?

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 15 Jun 2013, 02:57

Kirisame Marisa wrote: Could you point out where you thought I may have admitted that we coordinated to rez with any clan?
Kirisame Marisa wrote: training of clan defenders during clan war.
and you rez 4 times in a row against the top clan to "train".

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 15 Jun 2013, 02:58

Kirisame Marisa wrote: I'm surprised that a "Master" of Clan X is unfamiliar with common warfare techniques.
I'm not surprised a stupid multi is unfamiliar with the concept of ZERO. 0 attacks were made and you used ALL your tokens. How is it a war of attrition when you have NO tokens left.
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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 15 Jun 2013, 03:00

Kirisame Marisa wrote:Is it that scandalous for a clan to want to get experience for their defenders?
Perhaps just have a really short memory and forgot what you said in your first post >
Kirisame Marisa wrote:I was under the impression that the recent updates regarding extra tokens and HP buffs were meant to give weaker clans a better chance to win against higher ranked clans then.

Keep on trying to twist your story. It just makes you look soo much less guilty.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:12

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote: Could you point out where you thought I may have admitted that we coordinated to rez with any clan?
Kirisame Marisa wrote: training of clan defenders during clan war.
and you rez 4 times in a row against the top clan to "train".
Unfortunately, it would appear that your incompetence extends beyond your role as a Clan Master. Are you not aware that in almost all games, one gets more exp from fighting higher-levelled monsters/players? The burden of proof is on you, and by extension, Tyler, to show that we were intending to feed, and that can be achieved by showing we removed all our defenders and kept our fort's level as low as possible, because the very definition of feeding in games requires that the "food" put up as little resistance as possible. Attempting to use our defence of defender training against us only serves to further prove our innocence.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 15 Jun 2013, 03:18

Kirisame Marisa wrote: Unfortunately, it would appear that your incompetence extends beyond your role as a Clan Master.
I'm not a clan master, loser.
Kirisame Marisa wrote:The burden of proof is on you, and by extension, Tyler
I'm not with Tyler either. Double loser. HAHAhaha.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:20

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:Is it that scandalous for a clan to want to get experience for their defenders?
Perhaps just have a really short memory and forgot what you said in your first post >
Kirisame Marisa wrote:I was under the impression that the recent updates regarding extra tokens and HP buffs were meant to give weaker clans a better chance to win against higher ranked clans then.

Keep on trying to twist your story. It just makes you look soo much less guilty.
Before the updates to rez tokens and hp buffs, a lower ranked clan like ours would have little to no chance of sinking a top clan. With more rez tokens, the probability of sinking a top clan increases as lower ranked clans have the more opportunities to either hit the top clans to sink them, or gain exp from attacking and/or defending, and in so doing, become stronger. The HP buffs serve the same purpose by allowing said opportunities to last longer. It saddens me greatly to see that a developer of this game doesn't even understand the rationale behind these updates,

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 15 Jun 2013, 03:23

Kirisame Marisa wrote: Before the updates to rez tokens and hp buffs, a lower ranked clan like ours would have little to no chance of sinking a top clan.
Except that you're a huge hypocrite because you used 80% of your tokens on THE top clan instead of a lower ranked clan.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by hon » 15 Jun 2013, 03:29

Kirisame Marisa wrote:
Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote: Could you point out where you thought I may have admitted that we coordinated to rez with any clan?
Kirisame Marisa wrote: training of clan defenders during clan war.
and you rez 4 times in a row against the top clan to "train".
Unfortunately, it would appear that your incompetence extends beyond your role as a Clan Master. Are you not aware that in almost all games, one gets more exp from fighting higher-levelled monsters/players? The burden of proof is on you, and by extension, Tyler, to show that we were intending to feed, and that can be achieved by showing we removed all our defenders and kept our fort's level as low as possible, because the very definition of feeding in games requires that the "food" put up as little resistance as possible. Attempting to use our defence of defender training against us only serves to further prove our innocence.

U mean u defend to max and the TVVAT attacker use low range for avoid sunk u and give u free XP?

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:31

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote: Before the updates to rez tokens and hp buffs, a lower ranked clan like ours would have little to no chance of sinking a top clan.
Except that you're a huge hypocrite because you used 80% of your tokens on THE top clan instead of a lower ranked clan.
That is non-sequitur to this argument, as we are discussing how the updates help lower-ranked clans sink higher ranked clan. So long as the updates actually improve the chances of a lower-ranked clan like ours lasting against a higher ranked clan, my argument still stands. And as long as better EXP can be gained from rezzing against a top clan as opposed to rezzing against, say, Clan X, any perceived hypocrisy on my part can only be due to your failure to engage my argument properly.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:37

hon wrote:
U mean u defend to max and the TVVAT attacker use low range for avoid sunk u and give u free XP?
Please forgive my impudence, but I must ask your to clarify your question. I don't see how any offence from the opposing clan can serve to increase the longevity of our rezzes.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by hon » 15 Jun 2013, 03:39

Kirisame Marisa wrote:
hon wrote:
U mean u defend to max and the TVVAT attacker use low range for avoid sunk u and give u free XP?
Please forgive my impudence, but I must ask your to clarify your question. I don't see how any offence from the opposing clan can serve to increase the longevity of our rezzes.
U the one talk about get more XP from fighting higher lvl. Maybe u shud show the log which your defender is having good training vs 1 clan only or if they r being feed XP by the high lvl player?

Prohibited-Feeding

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Definition:

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Players found to be benefiting from feeding will have their accounts delevelled.

All GM decisions are final in the game and indisputable.
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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:44

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote: I'm surprised that a "Master" of Clan X is unfamiliar with common warfare techniques.
I'm not surprised a stupid multi is unfamiliar with the concept of ZERO. 0 attacks were made and you used ALL your tokens. How is it a war of attrition when you have NO tokens left.
Ad hominems aside, perhaps you are unaware that it costs APs to attack a fort. As a depletable resource, once the opposing side runs out of APs, the war is effectively won. As for why we had no tokens left, it may not have crossed your mind that, much as I hate to admit our failures in war, we miscalculated the amount of APs the opposing side has, and as such, lost the war of attrition. Implying that we were intending to feed TVVAT is an uncharitable assumption on your part, one that rubs salt into our wounds even as we mourn our losses.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 15 Jun 2013, 03:54

hon wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:
hon wrote:
U mean u defend to max and the TVVAT attacker use low range for avoid sunk u and give u free XP?
Please forgive my impudence, but I must ask your to clarify your question. I don't see how any offence from the opposing clan can serve to increase the longevity of our rezzes.
U the one talk about get more XP from fighting higher lvl. Maybe u shud show the log which your defender is having good training vs 1 clan only or if they r being feed XP by the high lvl player?

Prohibited-Feeding

Those who are caught in violation of game play rules must be summarily punished to protect the general interests of other players.
Definition:

Any attempt to use another Battle Stations account to level up faster, such that, it is done with the intention to let the winner of the attack acquire gold and experience points more quickly and easily than he usually would. This will include using accounts belonging to his friends who want to help him.
Penalty for feeding include:

Players found to be benefiting from feeding will have their accounts delevelled.

All GM decisions are final in the game and indisputable.
Appeals will not be entertained.
Items once removed, will not be reinstated under any circumstances.
If user finds that the penalties are too heavy, then do not use feeding to advance your ingame character. Fair play is important in the gaming community.

All banned accounts (for hacking, scamming, drop game, advertising hack, selling cash items, selling accounts etc.) will result in their respective Battle Stations being suspended. Players will not be able to login in from their Facebook account. The Battle Stations account will be purged from the user database. No refunds will be made for any Ochos or items left within.

Unfortunately Hon, the disbanding of our clan kind of makes it hard for me to retrieve our clan logs. And given the nature of the top clan being the top clan, I believe almost all their players are of a higher level than ours, so your point is moot. In any case, assuming that their attacking our defenders, something that happens in every clan war, is a form of feeding is simply a ridiculous assumption, as intent to "to let the winner of the attack acquire gold and experience points more quickly and easily than he usually would" has to be proven.

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