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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 16 Jun 2013, 15:37

Kirisame Marisa wrote: I don't quite see how you can proceed from premise 1:
Because you're not as smart.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 16 Jun 2013, 15:47

Kirisame Marisa wrote:That would be 13 members reachable by our defenders, more than enough to keep us busy.
I think Tyler should check the logs for this.

Kirisame Marisa wrote:I merely brought these supporting arguments up to show that rezzing a clan fort is simply more profitable than mnot rezzing one. The main point is still free exp for defenders.
Kirisame Marisa wrote:Most of our members live in time zones where said time period coincides with our free time, so rezzing the fort then simply makes more sense as more of us will be active.
How many defenders out of the 3-4 active members were defending and who were they defending against from TWAT?

< this question is not directed at the TWAT who likes to take it up his arse but at Tyler.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 17 Jun 2013, 03:48

I am glad to see that this thread is finally going somewhere, with questions being asked in the right places to the right people. As such, it is with great regret that I announce my temporary respite from this thread, as I will have business to attend to overseas, and will be unable to respond to this thread on a regular basis. I look forward to the outcome of the inquiry, and I wish for nothing but what all of us here hope for; that justice will be served accordingly.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Sneaky Miggy » 17 Jun 2013, 06:04

I just wanna say that in our last fight with TVVAT, they had 6 attackers and 1 was under 103, a level 86 player who made about 4 attacks then was out.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Marina Tyler » 17 Jun 2013, 06:53

As requested:

Name Attacking Clan Status Time Lane Defender HP
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -72,254
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 1 -NONE- -114,120
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 -NONE- -413,831
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -152,804
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 1 -NONE- -108,885
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 -NONE- -408,460
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -143,634
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 2 -NONE- -108,768
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 -NONE- -383,630
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -146,268
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 1 -NONE- -111,837
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 -NONE- -382,995
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -138,553
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 1 -NONE- -106,189
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 -NONE- -396,123
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -151,721
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 -NONE- -414,704
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -152,876
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 -NONE- -397,294
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -142,554
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:29 3 -NONE- -379,549
Arkhytirema INA Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:29 3 -NONE- -127,602
Arkhytirema INA Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:29 3 -NONE- -122,609
Stevo26 TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -125,154
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -135,291
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -108,117
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -160,745
Stevo26 TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -125,891
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -130,847
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -108,785
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -158,300
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -109,149
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -128,354
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -121,414
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -161,957
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -106,871
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 3 -NONE- -413,748
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -119,422
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:28 1 -NONE- -113,278
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 1 -NONE- -164,853
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 3 -NONE- -400,466
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 1 -NONE- -118,849
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 1 -NONE- -109,178
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 2 -NONE- -161,229
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 3 -NONE- -419,418
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:27 1 -NONE- -116,424
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -10,735
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -70,328
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -111,956
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -137,029
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -122,278
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -69,835
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -126,062
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -129,526
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -108,846
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -70,988
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -127,707
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -132,985
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -110,565
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -70,209
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 2 -NONE- -128,874
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:19 1 -NONE- -123,510
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -111,439
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -67,271
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -122,404
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -128,118
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -109,998
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -69,628
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -135,689
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -119,223
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -110,433
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -69,977
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -110,813
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -135,371
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -123,145
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -68,498
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -114,651
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 2 -NONE- -130,769
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -123,619
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 3 -NONE- -68,877
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -111,684
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -119,126
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:18 1 -NONE- -134,234
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:17 3 -NONE- -72,217
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:17 1 -NONE- -111,289
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:17 1 -NONE- -126,262
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:17 2 -NONE- -131,115
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:17 3 -NONE- -70,217
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -99,451
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -70,482
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -99,239
Stevo26 TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -123,719
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -109,474
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 2 -NONE- -395,988
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -66,951
Stevo26 TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -125,280
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -110,347
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 2 -NONE- -417,698
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -101,586
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -68,811
Evil DEvil TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 1 -NONE- -112,471
Stevo26 TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:12 3 -NONE- -125,101
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -114,300
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -425,258
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 3 -NONE- -68,942
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -107,284
Evil DEvil TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -115,497
shygrassspiny TVVAT Sunk by Fort Defender 14/6/2013 3:11 3 Chewbacca 0
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -111,466
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 2 -NONE- -393,481
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 3 -NONE- -66,589
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 R3X -108,242
makahai TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 -NONE- -112,276
Captain Abhishek TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 3 -NONE- -419,581
Evil DEvil TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 2 -NONE- -117,227
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 3 -NONE- -133,416
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 R3X -127,343
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:12 1 -NONE- -123,385
nad0886 Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:12 2 Chewbacca -60,562
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:12 1 -NONE- -154,647
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:12 1 -NONE- -150,456
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:11 1 -NONE- -14,522
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:11 3 -NONE- -14,036
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:11 1 -NONE- -154,186
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:11 1 -NONE- -14,330
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:11 1 -NONE- -13,880
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 2 -NONE- -14,241
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 1 -NONE- -14,808
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 1 R3X -118,904
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 2 -NONE- -14,801
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 1 -NONE- -14,218
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -156,087
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 2 -NONE- -14,113
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -153,687
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -148,763
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -14,790
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -151,335
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:09 1 -NONE- -14,217
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:08 3 -NONE- -14,766
Dancrist Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:08 3 -NONE- -14,003
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:07 3 R3X -120,782
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:07 1 -NONE- -151,598
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:07 3 R3X -119,624
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 3 R3X -122,020
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 1 MASSIA -105,563
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 2 R3X -117,735

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Rainbow King » 17 Jun 2013, 06:58

Kirisame Marisa wrote:
Rainbow King wrote: Tyler reserves the right to enforce their rules (as quoted by hon) when they have enough evidence of terms being violated :)
But where is the evidence?!
Nowhere does it say that Tyler HAS to present the evidence to the boards or to you. Now they might, but they don't have to :3

I am done here :*

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 17 Jun 2013, 07:40

Thanks Tyler.
Marina Tyler wrote: Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -72,254
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -152,804
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:46 3 R3X -143,634
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -146,268
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -138,553
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -151,721
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -152,876
Yellow Monkey TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:45 3 R3X -142,554
Cluedo TVVAT Fort Success 14/6/2013 3:11 1 R3X -127,343
shygrassspiny TVVAT Sunk by Fort Defender 14/6/2013 3:11 3 Chewbacca 0
nad0886 Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:12 2 Chewbacca -60,562
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:10 1 R3X -118,904
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:07 3 R3X -120,782
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:07 3 R3X -119,624
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 3 R3X -122,020
Aphelion Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 1 MASSIA -105,563
Rainbow King Clan X Fort Success 14/6/2013 2:06 2 R3X -117,735

As can clearly be seen, our defenders have defended against both Clan X and TVVAT, with at least two defenders out of the 3 or 4 active defending admirably against both Clan X and TVVAT, even deterring one attacker from TVVAT from attacking further. And as stated in a previous post on this thread:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:The burden of proof is on you, and by extension, Tyler, to show that we were intending to feed, and that can be achieved by showing we removed all our defenders and kept our fort's level as low as possible
And as the logs have clearly shown that that was not the case, I believe that is sufficient to show that we, at TVVAT2, are not guilty of feeding, and that we were disbanded unfairly. Thank you ladies and gentlemen.
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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 17 Jun 2013, 07:53

Kirisame Marisa wrote: As can clearly be seen, our defenders have defended against both Clan X and TVVAT, with at least two defenders out of the 3 or 4 active defending admirably against both Clan X and TVVAT, even deterring one attacker from TVVAT from attacking further.

There is ONE defender defending against TWAT ONLY during your last token you blind buffoon.
Denure rezzed your fort with NO ONE attacking OR defending. You're just his retarded pawn.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 17 Jun 2013, 08:09

Master of Clan X wrote:There is ONE defender defending against TWAT ONLY during your last token you blind buffoon.
Master of Clan X wrote:NO ONE attacking OR defending.
Does anyone else see the self-contradiction here?

I would also like to point out that you have forgotten to give Chewbacca the recognition he deserves, as he has met attackers in both the first and second tokens. Also, I object to your statement that there was only 1 defender defending against TVVAT. The fact that only one defender met attackers from TVVAT does not mean that others were not defending as well. That is a rather misleading equivocation, as there were others who were defending as well, but just didn't meet any attackers. Sorry to trouble you again Tyler, but perhaps it would be more useful for you to show which members were guarding a defense range during every token. Also, I understand that there are older logs for the clan as well, and it would be great if these could be posted too.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 17 Jun 2013, 08:15

Kirisame Marisa wrote: Does anyone else see the self-contradiction here?
No because other people have brains and know that clans get more than 1 token. Incidentally, you used 3-4 on TWAT.

Kirisame Marisa wrote:that is a rather misleading equivocation, as there were others who were defending as well, but just didn't meet any attackers.
Kirisame Marisa wrote:That would be 13 members reachable by our defenders, more than enough to keep us busy.
^ now this IS a contradiction.

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Post by Kirisame Marisa » 17 Jun 2013, 08:26

Kirisame Marisa wrote: Does anyone else see the self-contradiction here?
Master of Clan X wrote:No because other people have brains and know that clans get more than 1 token. Incidentally, you used 3-4 on TWAT.
3 were used by Denure actually, I wasn't an admiral at the time of our disbanding. Also, I'm pretty sure Massia and Chewbacca met attackers during the use of these tokens.
Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:that is a rather misleading equivocation, as there were others who were defending as well, but just didn't meet any attackers.
Kirisame Marisa wrote:That would be 13 members reachable by our defenders, more than enough to keep us busy.
^ now this IS a contradiction.
Sneaky Miggy wrote: these 17 players, almost 2/3 their clan, are all level 103 or above. I found them in the top 100 players and there are only 2 players in the top 100 not in a clan, so successful defending... not too likely a story.
I don't recall seeing all 17 attackers from TVVAT attacking either. Is that a contradiction too?

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 17 Jun 2013, 08:33

Kirisame Marisa wrote:Is it that scandalous for a clan to want to get experience for their defenders?
Kirisame Marisa wrote: I don't seem to recall coming across any clause that prohibits the training of clan defenders during clan war.
I believe you meant to say "defender". Because there's only one defender not even attempting to stop the attackers during your "defender training".

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 17 Jun 2013, 08:34

Kirisame Marisa wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure Massia and Chewbacca met attackers during the use of these tokens.
I'm pretty sure you're as blind as you are dumb. The logs have already been posted.

Kirisame Marisa wrote:
Sneaky Miggy wrote: these 17 players, almost 2/3 their clan, are all level 103 or above. I found them in the top 100 players and there are only 2 players in the top 100 not in a clan, so successful defending... not too likely a story.
I don't recall seeing all 17 attackers from TVVAT attacking either. Is that a contradiction too?
Why don't you ask the person you quoted instead dumbass.

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Kirisame Marisa » 17 Jun 2013, 08:34

Master of Clan X wrote:
Kirisame Marisa wrote:Is it that scandalous for a clan to want to get experience for their defenders?
Kirisame Marisa wrote: I don't seem to recall coming across any clause that prohibits the training of clan defenders during clan war.
I believe you meant to say "defender". Because there's only one defender not even attempting to stop the attackers during your "defender training".
shygrassspiny TVVAT Sunk by Fort Defender 14/6/2013 3:11 3 Chewbacca 0

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Re: TVVAT2 rezzing against TVVAT makes no sense

Post by Master of Clan X » 17 Jun 2013, 08:39

Kirisame Marisa wrote: shygrassspiny TVVAT Sunk by Fort Defender 14/6/2013 3:11 3 Chewbacca 0
He sunk the attacker. So no salvage kit or salvage AP was used. Why'd he stop defending? He wasn't attacking either =


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